Interview: Australian Children’s Laureate Leigh Hobbs

MWD Interview - Australian Children's Laureate Leigh Hobbs

Children’s author and artist Leigh Hobbs is the Australian Children’s Laureate for 2016-2017.  Leigh described his appointment in February as ‘a lovely thing for me because my books are on the subversive side, and also I think humorous books have been underestimated’ – in fact, the hilarious though gentle subversion created by the contrast between his words and illustrations is of particular attraction to his readers. There can be no doubt that this aspect of his work will make his laureateship especially exciting for children, and possibly a bit of a roller-coaster ride for adults!

Leigh grew up in the town of Bairnsdale, some 300km east of Melbourne, where he was born, and he now lives in Williamstown, Melbourne.  His distinctive style of illustration has embraced both fiction and non-fiction written by other authors, but he now devotes his time to his own stories, which encompass a cast of  such unique and instantly identifiable characters as Old Tom, Horrible Harriet, Fiona the Pig, the Freaks in 4F, Mr Badger and Mr Chicken. His books are hugely popular in both his native Australia (in fact, his books have won every major children’s choice award there) and the UK, where he spends a great deal of his many trips entertaining and inspiring children during school visits.

Working across a range of media, humour has been a constant throughout Leigh’s career as an artist.  One of his first jobs after leaving art school was the restoration of an early-twentieth-century carousel at Sydney’s Luna Park, where he also created two huge caricature figures Larry and Lizzy Luna for the park entrance, now on display at Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum. His love of architecture inspired him to create a novel take in ceramics on Melbourne’s iconic Flinders Street railway station building, in the unexpected but amazingly effective form of a teapot. He also worked as a newspaper cartoonist for a number of years, and as a secondary-school art teacher for some twenty-five years. While Leigh’s distinctive style in pen and ink and watercolour is familiar to his young readers, he also creates portraits of his characters in oil and as 3-D models, who sometimes accompany him on school visits and elsewhere…

Mr Chicken outside Notre Dame, Paris, photographed by Leigh Hobbs

  • Welcome to MWD, Leigh.  First of all, many congratulations on your appointment as Children’s Laureate in Australia. I know the announcement was greeted with great approbation among your colleagues.
  • What do you hope to accomplish in the next two years as Children’s Laureate? Are there any particular issues or themes you intend to address?  

Issues-wise, one thing that concerns me is the gradual disappearance of libraries and librarians in schools in Australia. I hear the same thing is happening in the UK? In Australia school librarians are an endangered species. It’s often a matter of funding as much as indifference. If a school principal doesn’t see the value of a library / librarian then the funding goes elsewhere. And there is a feeling that technology has or is replacing books and so, ‘Who needs a library?’

  • One of the criteria for being appointed Children’s Laureate is that you be ‘willing to promote the transformational power, value and importance of reading and the importance of children’s and youth literature in Australia’s literary culture.’ What is your vision for reaching all children in Australia?

As the Australian Children’s Laureate, during my two-year term I’ll be visiting every state in Australia at least once as an advocate for the power, value and importance of reading. I’ll be running workshops and doing presentations for and to adults on visual literacy, the power of picture books and creating characters in ‘words and pictures’. And for the kids I will be running workshops with the theme of creating your own characters…in words and pictures. I was a secondary art teacher for twenty five years, so my teaching survival skills are quite honed.

  • I love that that when you were a child, your father gave you an alarm clock and you weren’t allowed to get up until after it had gone off… Has that ever changed and do you jump straight into creative mode when you wake up?

Yes. I leap out of bed ready for the day which, as soon as possible means being at my desk, scratching away in pen and ink. There’s often quite a bit of fiddling around beforehand, but the brain is ticking over as soon as I wake up. I’ve always found it more difficult to relax and sleep than to work. Well, my preferred work, as in ‘art’.

Leigh Hobbs using the drawing board that he's had since he was 5-6 years old, made by his father

Leigh using the drawing board that he’s had since he was 5-6 years old, made by his father

  • How do you like to work – are you very methodical?

Work-wise I’m methodical but I suppose in an idiosyncratic way. My studio looks chaotic and messy, but there is an order of course in the way I create the books. I do spend a lot of time searching for stuff mislaid under mountains of paper, books, paint and brushes. I focus on one project in the initial ‘inspired and enthusiastic’ stage when the ideas are flowing freely, but inevitably I hit a rough, dry spot and then I work on a few things at once.

Artist and children's author Leigh Hobbs' studio during preparation for Mr Chicken Lands on London - plus dog!

Work in Progress: Mr Chicken Lands on London – with willing ‘helper’ at the door…

  • You spend quite a bit of time in England each year and visit many schools. Can you share some highlights with us?

Some years back, on my first school visit in London, I remember a moment when about sixty little year-one students were drawing Old Tom, carefully following my instructions. I realised that from when I was their age – they were about 6 years old – my dream was to ‘be an artist and come to London’. Now, all those years later here I was and these children were drawing one of my beserk creations.

Portrait in oil of Old Tom, by Leigh Hobbs

Portrait of Old Tom

  • Do you carry a sketch book with you when you are away?

I seldom carry a sketchbook when I’m away, well not around the streets as I couldn’t draw in public. Anyway I’m too absorbed either walking or looking. Though there have been exceptions when I’m in a place which I’m doing a book about at the time. For instance, Mr Chicken in Paris / London / Rome. But usually I do detailed drawings back in the hotel room.

Books in Leigh Hobbs' Mr Badger series

Portrait in oil of Mr Badger, by Leigh Hobbs

Portrait of Mr Badger

Mr Badger as a cub, with his father - from the Mr Badger series by Leigh Hobbs

Mr Badger as a cub, with his father

  • Your Mr Badger books play to quite a few English stereotypes. I don’t say that as a negative criticism because, as well as their humour, I think the volumes of affection that the books exude, as well as their quirkiness, make them very appealing – but I do find it intriguing, in a way, that you get away with it! How do children in England and indeed Australia react to them?

I suspect that my so called ‘playing to stereotypes’ in the Mr Badger books doesn’t cause offence because all of the characters (even the irritating Sylvia Smothers-Carruthers) are etched in a humorous and affectionate way. I like all of my characters good and bad, if you know what I mean. None is entirely monstrous.

Children in Australia seem to love the Mr Badger books. In fact Mr Badger came into being because an English editor whom I know here and I were having afternoon tea in Claridges and she suggested that seeing I loved London so much, ‘why don’t I create an English character?’ Prompted by champagne and scones I described him and where he lived almost immediately; he was created on the spot.

All the raw material for his ‘world’ was already in my head, thanks to hundreds of walks around London. I’ve been exploring London since 1976.

  • I can see Mr Chicken Goes to Paris and Mr Chicken Lands on London becoming favourite souvenirs of young visitors to the cities – and I’m glad to see they are also translated into French, though I note that the French edition of Mister Poulet visite Paris shows Mr Chicken with a huge grin on his face! Were you asked to make any other changes?

For the French edition of Mr Chicken Goes To Paris, yes, I was asked by the publisher to change Mr Chicken’s face to make him look friendly, as French bookshops reckoned he was ugly and scary. I thought their reaction odd as kids love his mad grumpy face, and the Bloomsbury English edition of that title with the original grumpy face, available in the Louvre Bookshop has sold in the thousands – probably to tourists. Anyhow, I did a new friendly face on the cover. I still prefer the grumpy original. I wasn’t asked to make any more changes. Just as well.

Mr Chicken Goes to Paris / Mister Poulet visite Paris - English and French editions - by Leigh Hobbs

The English and French covers of Mr Chicken Goes to Paris

Mr Chicken Goes to Paris by Leigh Hobbs in the Louvre bookshop

Mr Chicken Goes to Paris in the Louvre bookshop

Mr Chicken at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris: illustration from Mr Chicken Visits Paris by Leigh Hobbs

Mr Chicken at the Arc de Triomphe (from Mr Chicken Goes to Paris)

  • You talked last year at the Melbourne Writers Festival about Mr Chicken being ‘on the loose’ and I’m very excited to hear he’s visiting Rome next. Can you tell us something about his visit?

‘Mr Chicken arriva a Roma’ is being published by my Australian publisher Allen and Unwin. Last year I went to Rome for eleven days and filled a sketchbook with drawings – yes, I did carry one around! I sketched Mr Chicken on a Vespa, eating gelato and pasta – visiting the Colosseum – admiring the Pantheon – driving a chariot – relaxing in The Trevi Fountain etc. etc.

I think Rome is a marvellous place so it wasn’t hard to have Mr Chicken enjoying himself there. Hopefully readers will pick up on my and Mr Chicken’s affection for and wonder at this fantastic city. I loved the Gelato especially.

  • Do you put yourself into your children’s books – I ask, because I am wondering if Mr Chicken is your alter ego?

I’m in all of my books, somewhere, somehow. It’s not a conscious thing but rather my characters, of course, have some of my traits and tastes. For example, there are lots of cakes and sweets popping up in the various books! And afternoon teas. And my passionate interest in architecture and history…

The book with the most obvious connection to me is Mr Chicken Lands on London. With the exception of breakfast with the Queen, just about everything else in that book is based on where I love to visit when I’m in London. The London Eye isn’t of much interest but I couldn’t resist having Mr Chicken on it. That book is a love story. It’s about the love of a place. Mr Chicken has a chance, at 9:15 pm exactly, to be or feel part of the fabric of London, when his face merges into the clock tower holding Big Ben.

'Old Tom misbehaving at one of Angela Throgmorton's afternoon tea parties' - from the Old Tom series by Leigh Hobbs

‘Old Tom misbehaving at one of Angela Throgmorton’s afternoon tea parties’

Mister Chicken 'pops in for morning tea' with the Queen - from Mr Chicken Lands on London by Leigh Hobbs

Mister Chicken ‘pops in for morning tea’ with the Queen

Mr Chicken Lands on London, by Leigh Hobbs (Allen & Unwin, 2014)

Mr Chicken on the London Eye - from 'Mr Chicken Lands on London' by Leigh Hobbs

Mr Chicken on the London Eye

Mr Chicken on a London bus - from 'Mr Chicken Lands on London' by Leigh Hobbs

Mr Chicken on a London bus

Mr Chicken 'perches' at Picadillly Circus - from 'Mr Chicken Lands on London' by Leigh Hobbs

Mr Chicken ‘perches’ at Picadillly Circus

  • A lot of the humour in your books lies in the way the pictures subvert the text and the way bland normality of tone clashes with far-fetched flights of the imagination. The matter-of-factness in the text (so beautifully tuned in the relationship between Old Tom and Angela Throgmorton, for example, or in Horrible Harriet’s high opinion of herself) offers children a safety net that means they can immerse themselves in the subversive humour. You have also worked a great deal within the realms of satire, both as a political cartoonist and a sculptor. Do you consciously work to different agendas and how aware are you of boundaries in your work?

I have no agenda when I work, other than to push myself with text and artwork as far as I feel I can, toward that thing in one’s head that says, ‘It’s right’. And of course, it’s seldom exactly ‘right’. I’ve never been a politically motivated person and certainly not a political cartoonist. I feel very strongly about certain issues but choose—or rather, I’m not moved—to make my books a vehicle for those issues. I don’t for a start have the grasp of or interest in politics. I am motivated by character. I love sketching a character in words and pictures. I find it easy to empathise with people and maybe this is something that kids respond to in regard to the characters I’ve created.

Old Tom book covers - by Leigh Hobbs

Artwork for 'Old Tom, Man of Mystery' by Leigh Hobbs

Artwork for Old Tom, Man of Mystery

A page from Old Tom's Holiday by Leigh Hobbs

Old Tom is (supposedly) left behind in Old Tom’s Holiday

Horrible Harriet books by Leigh Hobbs

Horrible Harriet cooking - from the Harriet books by Leigh Hobbs

Horrible Harriet cooking…

Freaks Ahoy!, and 4F for Freakss, by Leigh Hobbs (Allen & Unwin)

  • Despite the apparent ghastliness of some of your characters (4F for Freaks springs to mind), there is actually a lot of love. Where does your empathy for the underdog come from?

In spite of my various book characters appearing bolshie, I’m a softy at heart! I was a skinny, shy boy, hopeless at sport and ‘adding up’, but I was always good at art at school and fortunately never bullied: but I saw it happen to others and it registered.

Regarding Old Tom, I think it’s the underlying affection between Angela and Old Tom which appeals to kids as much as Old Tom’s naughty ‘funnyness’. Theirs is another kind of love story. The love of a mother for her son.

A 'love story': Old Tom by Leigh Hobbs

Old Tom: A ‘love story’

  • You taught art for a number of years in a secondary school, yet your books are aimed at a younger audience. Australia is at the forefront of producing fine picture books for older readers. Have you ever thought about creating a book for young adults?

My picture books have found their own audience which includes appreciative adults. I have no interest in producing books different to what I do now so as to appeal to another audience. Children have an innate sense of humour, an innocent ‘eye’ and a willingness to follow the story wherever I may take them. I think of this as ‘kid logic’. Children rarely question Mr Chicken’s size as being ‘illogical’. However some Australian critics say he doesn’t look like a chicken. In fact I never say he’s a chicken. Quite simply, this is what he’s called and this is how he looks. That seems to be all kids need for them to believe.

  • Do you have any new books coming out soon and what, between all the busy-ness of your work as Children’s Laureate, are you working on at the moment?

My next book is Mr Chicken arriva a Roma. It’ll be out in September. It’s almost finished. I suspect that I’ll not have time to start and finish another big project while I’m the Laureate.

  • Thank you for giving us such a fascinating peek into the world of your books, Leigh. Just a few more questions in the MWD spotlight before you go…

Australian Children's Laureate Leigh Hobbs - and old Tom - in the MWD Spotlight

The first book you remember reading as a mirror of you and/or your cultural background?
Treasure Island.

Reading preference – paper or e-book?

The last book you read that opened the window onto a new-to-you cultural landscape?
A Biography of Samuel Pepys.

On holiday, lie on a beach or hike up a mountain (you may include any conditions necessary to your choice!)?
Lying on a beach – and certainly, climbing a mountain is my idea of hell not a holiday!

Initial ideas – notebook or computer?

Most personally precious object on or within 1 metre of your desk?
My two Blue Heeler dogs.

Australian Children's Laureate Leigh Hobbs' two beautiful Blue Heeler dogs in his studio

Lulu and Snowy in Leigh’s studio

Something you have done or want to do because of reading a book?
I went to Vienna a few years ago to see the fantastic 18th-century State Library because I’d seen it in a book about Baroque Architecture.

Something about yourself that might surprise even your friends?
Nothing about me would surprise my friends.

A peep at what today’s work entails?
Today’s work entails honing the text of Mr Chicken arriva a Roma. Though I’m in London, so I think I’ll forget it and go to a favourite spot…The National Portrait Gallery.

All illustrations are reproduced here by permission and are ©Leigh Hobbs; they may not be reproduced without permission.


  1. Fantastic interview! My younger sister has lived in Australia for 36 years, and often sent Australian books to my kids when they were young. I always loved the quirkiness and originality of these stories. Obviously, Leigh measures up (and more) to my resulting expectation that Aussie kids’ books have a real kick to them! As for the “children’s laureate” concept: what a fabulous idea!

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